In part one of this two part post I looked at how to make the new Vasily's Hammer (SUAB06) into a full 1750pts army. As I said at the time I thought that the Hero Tankovy aren't as good as the normal Tankovy, well today I'm going to look at how to expand your box set into a full Tankovy army.
I'm going to be using Desperate Measures again for this list so there is no need to buy another book just yet (you may want to later on when you look at more options and I would highly recommend you do pick up Red Bear (FW117) at some point as it has a lot of Soviet lists in it). This is going to be a very different beast, where you need to think and get used to Hen and Chicks, but at the same time you will have twice as many tanks. So lets look at the list.
Now the first thing you need to do is buy a second Vasily's Hammer box set - yes that's right a second one. You will need 20+ T-34's and the SU-100's are a great unit so you aren't getting anything you can't use double of. This will leave you one short of the number of T-34's you need but I will get onto that in a second. So for the two platoons (Soviet Company's) I would build one as T-34/85's and one as T-34/76's. This gives you one cheap platoon (Soviet Company) to assault with and to bring up your numbers and one stronger platoon (Soviet Company) that can and will do damage to medium tanks and will scare Panthers and King Tigers if you can get onto their flanks. Thats all the T-34's used out of the box, so what about the HQ? Well you could parts order an individual T-34, but I would recommend getting Brigada Komissar M A Dedov (SU883), he comes with both T-34/76 and 85 turrets and has a nice flag on top of the turret so it'll be easy for you to pick him out in the sea of T-34's on the table. For this list I'm putting him in a T-34/85 (why should your boy not have the best tank he can have!), I had some points left over at the end so I gave the HQ tank a Tank Escort.
So that's all the T-34's in the list, on to the SU-100's, You will now have 6 and I'm going to stay by saying you need more, I would pick up the new OFBX10 SU-85 / SU-100 (plastic), this will bulk you out to 8 SU's. Next up I would not have 8 SU-100's, I would have 4 SU-100's and 4 SU-85M's, the SU-100's are great but I like flexibility and I think a platoon of each even with 11 T-34/85's on the board is a more balanced option. Now with this list I had to save some points and so I had to downgrade the SU-85M's to regular SU-85's so you will need to be careful with them.
So list last time the next thing I added was Recce, I would normally for Tankovy select Spetsnaz as they give you infiltrate, but for this to keep as many models as possible the same I will stick with the BA-64 (SU302) platoon (Soviet Company). It's a very good option, just not quite as good as Spetsnaz.
The final platoon I'm adding is anti-air. I'm going for the armoured version as unarmed trained trucks sounds like something that won't last long! For the armoured version you will need 3 ZSU M17 MGMC (SU160), this is a good platoon for keeping AOP's off your tanks (when you need to stand still to not use Hen and Chicks, anything which keeps AOP's away is a good thing) and secondly it's great at shooting up infantry and armoured cars with.
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I hope you have enjoyed this two parter and look out for Fez's take on the US armoured box set coming very soon.
Ben
Oh you used desperate measures rather than red bear. Your reference in the first para threw me. I couldn't work out how you got so many Obr 1943s!
ReplyDeleteYes sorry, just added red bear in as it's a must buy for soviet players.
DeleteI do like the option of one platoon of T-34/85's and 76's.
Those points totals are much different then in the FOW forces book. Do you know why? It seems a bit odd. I thought FOW was a super fair game, but this is rather strikingly unfair seeming. Was there a large FAQ?
ReplyDeleteThe points for a number of Soviet Tanks were lowered when they updated Red Bear and released Desperate Measures. If I remember correctly it was due to the Hen And Chicks rule being too debilitating so rather than rewriting the rule they dropped the cost of the relevant tanks.
ReplyDeleteThey also changed some of the units from having Volley Fire to having Cat Killer (aka the British Semi-Indirect Fire rule).
The Red Bear update is on Easy-Army, and Desperate Measures is up on Forces Of War if you haven't got access to Easy-Army.
Also check out the Letters From The Front on the BF website which is the official errata.
Thank you!!
DeleteDave is spot on. Forces uses the old points costs from the old Red Bear, the Soviets are now a far better beast.
ReplyDeleteBen
36 each for the new T-34 obr 1942 is a nice difference. It must make them pretty efficient. You figure that AT 9 tank gun could still be mean to shermans and panzers on their side armour.
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